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---- mamateur English translation
The announcement of a 5 stage complete program for the development
of youngster's personality and style through out 6~18 year old period
is video taped and on line.
The 5 stages youngster style development camp are emphasizing
honesty, discipline, brain power - introspectiveness, intelligence
and rationalism, teenage youthfulness, and the life, respectively.

Please down load and install real player 8 basic from
http://scopes.real.com/real/player/player.html?src=011011realhome_2,011011rpchoice_h2&dc=103010291028
then browse the two real movie files using the following address
 rtsp://real.me.ncu.edu.tw/tlyeh/ho90a2721.rm and ho90a2722.rm
I have not got time to compile the index for these files,
 when I do, I will leave them at
  http://www.ncu.edu.tw/~tlyeh/ho5style90.txt

If you are intersted, you can also refer to
 http://www.ncu.edu.tw/~tlyeh/hostyle90.txt
for the video of the final report by the youngsters in the 89~90
youngster style camp, however, their .rm files are not on-line.
There are two CD's for the middle school and high school class
respectively at the HOHOHO Family Education Center.

Please contact HOHOHO directly for info
 http://residence.educities.edu.tw/hymike
Please also ask for info regarding the CD on Prof. Fu4, Pei4-Rung2
 on Confucius and modern life. This set is beautifully done.
I do have a set on hand if you want to take a look.

If there is any correction or supplement to this mail Jiang1, Fung1
 please do make a follow up.
Jiang, Fung is the president of the HOHOHO Foundation.
 hymike@ms1.hinet.net

----  Subject: ®aªø¹ï¤p«Äªº«e/¿ú³~ªº­n¨D 

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updates and follow up's check http://www.ncu.edu.tw/~tlyeh/tkid.txt

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To: tomizuka@newton.berkeley.edu

thanks for the info
it takes a critical mass to get things done, 
 it is not easy to find such a group of people.
NCU is not perfect and the academic publication pressure is mounting up,
 yet there is indeed a group of people who can work together 
  to get crooked twigs to grow up straight
   ^   ^    ^    ^    ^  Pung2 Sheng1 Luan4 Ma2 Chung1, Bu4 Fu2 Er2 Ji2   ^
   |   |    |    |    | planting ... among the straight .. bushes, the ...
   |   |    |    |    |   grow straight naturally (still takes lots of efforts)
   |{ {| } }| { }|} { |  we might not yet have sequoya forest in NCU yet, 
 -----------------------  I do see a bundle of pine trees around.
 Sorry, i could not find my dictionary to look up the word Pung2 and Ma2 
  in English, Pung2 is something lingering onto other trees, could not grow 
    straight by itself, and Ma2 is like mariwana and can be used for fibre.
 Ma2 usually grows straight and tall.  
 When you have pungs growing among a field of Ma2, they grow straight naturally,
  (provided the Ma2's do not get overloaded to bend over.) 

please do comment on a paper on my teaching, written by a "critical friend".
http://fie.engrng.pitt.edu/icee/papers/370.pdf
also a companion paper on the teach of other professors in the education reform
 group http://fie.engrng.pitt.edu/icee/papers/283.pdf 
yours alan
p.s. how are the ladies?  My young ones are growing to be able to say no to the
 old ones already.  Need to fight to deprive of their freedom to get them 
  to go the way this dad wants them to!  Tong-Hwey is good at luring their
   curiosity to follow her steps, though. 
 Loved two video's "Andrew Webber, 50th Birthday celebration at Albert Hall"
  (we got DVD edition in Taiwan), & "Shakespear in love".
 So, when Bo-Shuan fails to get her daily summer assignment done before 3pm
  I am threatening to get her feet on a stove to get this cat's boot on fire.
 Any way, we are playing the tension game! Wish it won't break. 

--
Alan, I recall that you are from Kaohsiung.  Looks like an opportunity near=
home.  Tomi

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dragon@cc.kuas.edu.tw
>Faculty Position Open
>...
>Wang-Long Li
>Professor & Head
>Department of Mechanical Engineering
>National Kaohsiung University of Applied Sciences
>415 Chien Kung Road,
>Kaohsiung, 807, TAIWAN
>Tel: 886-7-3814526x5300;
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From: tomizuka@me.berkeley.edu  Thu Jul 26 09:04:38 2001
Alan,
I did not read the articles word by word, but the first one looks very 
interesting. It is written very frank.  
If you are not a subscriber as yet, you will enjoy
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They put all kinds of articles from effective teaching to administrative 
things, etc.

Best regards,

Tomi

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Taiwan strikes out again at ISSCC
Brian Fuller, EE Times
Nov 9, 2001 (1:01 PM)
URL: http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20011109S0100

SAN FRANCISCO Organizers of the International Solid-State Circuits
Conference are trying to figure out why papers from universities and
companies in Taiwan --- one of the electronics industry's powerhouses ---
were shut out of the upcoming conference for a fifth straight year. "It's
not that they're doing nothing.  They're not doing it as well [as other
countries]," said Kenneth C. Smith, ISSCC publicity chairman.

Taiwan contributed perhaps a half dozen of the 352 total papers submitted
for the annual conference, which will be held here in February. The papers
are reviewed by both the conference's Far East program committee and
the main paper-review board, generally with an eye toward technological
breakthroughs that have been commercialized recently or are approaching
commercialization.

"It seems it's a rehash of issues," Smith said. "It's development for
sale, but it's not leading edge per se."

Officials from ITRI, Taiwan's top research institute, attend the
conference every year and encourage Taiwanese engineers to offer papers,
said Laura Fujino, ISSCC director of publications. "At some point,
they get discouraged," she said.

Nicky Lu, a member of the Far East committee and chief executive officer
of Taiwanese memory designer Etron Technologies, has been asked to look
at what's going on, she added.

Lu said he is aware of the problem and hopes to remedy it by encouraging
the government to give professors greater credit for publishing papers
at ISSCC and other high-profile technology conferences. Such recognition
would be taken into consideration when professors are up for promotion.

In addition, Lu will raise the issue at this month's meeting of the
Taiwan Semiconductor Industry Association, with the aim of getting
Taiwan's industry leaders to lend greater support to employees who may
want to draft papers for submission. "We have a social and a technical
responsibility to publish papers, because we are now one of the top
three countries producing silicon," Lu said. "We understand that, but
it just takes time to change people's minds."

The VLSI Circuits Symposium has seen similar problems with Taiwanese
submissions. "It could just be that they [the Taiwanese] are making too
much money leading the world in foundry technology to be concerned,"
one observer said.

Lu agreed that Taiwan's success in manufacturing has drawn the best talent
away from research and more toward development. "Ninety percent of what
we do is development work, and 10 percent is research work, which some
companies, like TSMC, classify as confidential," Lu said. "The culture
is so manufacturing-oriented, so the talent migrates into that. Only in
these past two years have we seen things start to change." Next year,
Taiwan's goal is to submit 10 papers for consideration at ISSCC iX double
this year's total.


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